NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. on tight fairways. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year. If this continues well end up with 25* 7 irons and carry 6 or 7 gap wedges. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). Seriously. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 You may have heard golfers talk about how they need to use a flatter club or that they need to change their lie angle. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. Being a golf club designer and marketer, I certainly know that there are gains to be made in your efficiency by availing yourself of the right modern equipment. Undershooter PING Anser 4 Hybrid Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. 2 degrees upright, what does this say about my swing etc Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila RIP Phenom 3-wood: Titleist 906F4 (13.5 degrees) Shaft: Aldila NV 7-wood: Michael Hopper whats in the bag accurate as of the WM Phoenix Open. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. weight removed), Ball:1. From my research into various golfer communities, it is highly likely that if you are reading this blog post you probably are playing to somewhere between a 5 and 16 handicap. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. Sure. Newer irons, however, are designed with a loft angle that is between 18 and 22 degrees. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. For this discussion, lets define proficiency as the level where you can reasonably expect to move the ball around the course efficiently and consistently enough to shoot 90 or better, though your own goals might be somewhere lower. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. The speed of putts is crucial. On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Seems that the article could have suggested that for higher swing speed players, the stronger lofts and COG location is necessary to not have the ball shoot straight up. Everyone's comments are super helpful! The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. Should I have my new 3-Iron Bent 1 Degree Strong? I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. Will I be digging too much? My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. I realize it is hard to write to such a diverse audience, but Im going to give it my best with this post, and pose the basic two questions to each of you : If the answer to No. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. OK, quick question. Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. Nick is a Certified Performance Club Fitter at Carl's Golfland in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. I guess Ill need to have my next irons bent weaker leaving some marks on the blade and hosel. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Clear editor. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. The average golfer hits a 7-iron to around 30 yards from the pin. most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. Your email address will not be published. Nick so, how much difference can CoG location make to the optimum loft? Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Ok thats good to know, the longest iron I carry in the bag is a 6 iron so it wont make that much of a difference then in the long irons. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. The incredible story behind Arnold Palmers $275,000 irons from the 1960s, OLD vs. NEW: TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 irons vs. My modern irons (Full launch monitor numbers), Legendary club designer Larry Bobka speaks on his new $599 blade irons, What are these?! I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. They catch a bit but I hit it crispier. Privacy Policy Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. I did the math on these numbers years ago when I had an early release and wondering why I could not hit the irons very far. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Best of luck.Chuck. Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. Good question. The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lofts (plus minus 2*) Humans think theyre logical but when it comes down to it (when the wallet hits the counter), they are controlled by feelings, who they wish they could play like and what company has qualities that match their identity. Bettinardi Studio Stock SS28, Didn't think of that. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. 2 degrees upright - Club Fitting - Team Titleist That said, people will usually launch clubs higher with a longer shaft length as well, (mechanical advantage/physics) so again, it kind of goes hand in hand with the stronger lofts. 5 Testers Needed! You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Any knowledge on the subject would be appreciated. This will reduce any penalty shots and subsequently the number of doubles-or-worse in your round. Worked very well IMO in terms of reducing spin You will need to check your distances with these gapped lofts. Explaining The Meaning of Loft Angle in Golf Clubs - LiveAbout As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X Now I learned to shape the flight high and low at any given moment. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Its like that distance is just not filled. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. The refit yielded a super driving iron. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Upload or insert images from URL. Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X Todays golf ball travels farther than ever before and I dont see any need to jack up the short iron lofts. The Topgolf Blue Flag Challenge: Can you go 5-for-5 from 155 yards? If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. PING Forged wedges Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Clamp the piece of angle iron into the vise. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? I know it will increase the bounce. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. Albion, MI 49224 Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. Plenty have broken their duck here, and now the Puerto Rico curse has been resigned to history lets get with a couple of players who have their best days in front of them. The JPX-825 Pro's are all 1 degree stronger than the MP-H5's. So, I was thinking that I would have the new iron bent one degree strong so that it fits with the rest of my set. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. Just about every club that leaves the factory won't be 100% spot on for loft, manufacturing tolerances are going to throw that out. It would increase if you added loft. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. And why really do you need to do it besides being able to brag about hitting the ball farther? VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. Im 62 and most GI clubs are too long even for me in their stock iteration with this progressive shaft lengths concept. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. You must log in or register to reply here. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. TaylorMade M1 15* Tensei CK Pro White 80X or So, I am now waiting for a major brand to market and advertise that their new, weaker lofts will add distance for most golfers. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". It has been working really well for me. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Titleist 620 MB 5-9 Oban CT 125 If you're a digger already, could make for deeper digging! Compare that with 49-year-old Atwal, with a best of 49th place since 2021 and an average first-round placing of around 120th for his three starts in 2023, and Scott Brown, admittedly a former winner here, but now 719th in the world and who has, since September, withdrawn twice during tournaments, and missed his last two cuts (Pebble and Honda) ranking 99th and 136th for his first round he certainly looks wrong in every way. I know that for every degree strong I bend it, it will take a degree off the bounce. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong - Club Fitting - Team Titleist I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. Sounds like it's a long iron. Good point. I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. You won't notice it. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. Bomb and gouge. Learn how your comment data is processed. I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Craig, The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? Hybrid: Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S -or- TEE CBX 17*, HZRDUS 85 6.0, 2 iron: Mizuno MP-20 HMB, Steelfiber i95 S, 39.5", Irons grab bag: 1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 3-AW Pinhawk Vertex irons, Apollo std stepped S